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Nancy

> > I think spending many thousands of
> > hours in what is essentially my profession and not being paid is
> > problematic...
>
> N: It seems you have company.  This is from a wealthy Thinking type in
> training to be a Jungian Analyst.  Due to the T this poster puts it a bit
> more bluntly than you do.  Incidentally it was quite clear to whom the
> remarks referred!

I have never had a sense that i do "therapy for free online"...
and if people post their personal stories in this group... that
seems ok - it is always within the context of "exploring the
psyche in cyberspace".

I do have some private clients online. I dont do that with people
in this group however... that would break I think.

I think i was thinking more about the dreamevents ... actually I
dont resent any of it...

it is "problematic" only in that it is not a sustainable
situation... not unlike people pouring financial investments into
cyberspace.

~~~

>  N: You are right about being too much the hub, I think.  When you are gone
> on vacation there is almost total silence here.  But then you are the only
> person I know who tries to maintain the list all by yourself.  That makes it
> a lot tougher.
>
>     Best of luck in a difficult balancing act,

I am not alone here - and there seems to be plenty happening
right now.  I am just catching up on the posts.


Walter

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Sheryl

> all I can think of in
> terms of smell is gasoline.  Maybe I can only exist in the abstract for a
> short period of time without locking back into something more concrete.  I
> would rather connect some other smell, but that's it for now.

Fascinating... tha colours - darkness - swirls resonate but I
can't even conjure up the smell of gasoline in empathy.

The smell to me is earthy... like a cave - with a hint of
decomposed bat droppings - guano, not an unpleasant smell.


Walter

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Stephen, all,

Your facilitation goes against the idea that I am the hub... your
initiatives here liven the place up - as have many others at
different times.

> If you close your eyes and imagine *psyber-L on a quest* what image comes
> into your mind? Where are we? What scenery do you see? What is the smell?
> What music is
>
> playing?
>
> yes...take some time and answer wholeheartedly.

I think I did this today in a supervision session, coming at it
from a different angle, but it fits.

I had a dream - Here is the transcript i wrote:

~~~

01.04.30 Dream: samurai

A voice - like a Lao Tzu - talks to a warrior king:

They want to annihilate you - but you do not want to annihilate
them.  You come to civilise them, to unite them under one flag.

You come to make your ancestry their ancestry.

You beat them at their own game - but have nuclear weapons in
case you need to blow them away...

~~~

I was struck by the aggression of it - the Kengis Khan conqueror
archetype.  But also that this was "civilising"  - civilisation
has this shadow side the dream did not hide.  Civilisation was
founded on slavery etc.

This led me to explore the unstated opposite of this dream.  And
what emerged was Psybernet - Psyber-L.  The psy... the breath,
the soul ... but without the "body" (as linda mentioned too)- the
"inferior" aspect, not the domination of Kengis Kahn.  The image
that came to mind for psyber-l was the psychic woman in the movie
"The Gift".  It is a cheap and nasty horror movie, but Cate
Blanchett plays a totally vulnerable woman who, as one of the
characters says: is the soul of this town. She is in pain as a
result of her gift and struggles to survive in a red neck town.
She has the irritating habit of going into dangerous places alone
late at night - as woman in horror movies do!  She seems the
total opposite of the warrior king.

So... not quite the answer to your question Stephen, but images
for psyber-l that came unbidden today.


Walter

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Sheryl


> >  [ http://www.psybernet.co.nz/circle/  L: psyber p: circle ]
> >
> >  ***
>
> I tried to go there today, but I didn't have the member name or password.
> Could you post it again for us?

psyber is the member name and circle is the password.


Walter

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> Cate
> Blanchett plays a totally vulnerable woman who, as one of the
> characters says: is the soul of this town.

Not quite the image from the film i thought of but the best i
could find:

http://www.moviefanonline.com/misc_pages/moviefan_images.asp?PicURL=http://www.moviefanonline.com/previews/2001/gift/gift_05.jpg

Walter

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Date:         Tue, 1 May 2001 08:15:47 -0700
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Hi Walter, All,

----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Logeman" <walter@PSYBERNET.CO.NZ>
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Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 1:53 AM
Subject: Re: [P] Professionalism


> Nancy
>
> > > I think spending many thousands of
> > > hours in what is essentially my profession and not being paid is
> > > problematic...
> >
> > N: It seems you have company.  This is from a wealthy Thinking type in
> > training to be a Jungian Analyst.  Due to the T this poster puts it a
bit
> > more bluntly than you do.  Incidentally it was quite clear to whom the
> > remarks referred!

N: This seems to be an issue on 3 of the depth groups to which I belong
right now.  Are people 'more personal' in Spring?  Is it the economic down
turn that brings money to mind?  The objectors seem to be almost invariably
Thinking types, who have a natural tendency to keep the personal at bay.
>
> I have never had a sense that i do "therapy for free online"...
> and if people post their personal stories in this group... that
> seems ok - it is always within the context of "exploring the
> psyche in cyberspace".

N: Good.  I would suppose that 'psyche' was largely personal and don't quite
understand how it can be talked about without personal examples...save
philosophically and in a generalized way.
>
> I do have some private clients online. I dont do that with people
> in this group however... that would break I think.

N: I've wondered how that works and would love to have you tell the basic
mechanics of your experience.  How does one keep it in bounds re: client's
length?  Do you have a specified time in which to reply?  Do they?  Am also
curious about how you charge, if this isn't felt to be 'priveledged' info.
>
> I think i was thinking more about the dreamevents ... actually I
> dont resent any of it...

N: Darn.  And I  missed both.  The 'ground' doesn't seem prepared for
another any time soon.  (?)
>
> it is "problematic" only in that it is not a sustainable
> situation... not unlike people pouring financial investments into
> cyberspace.

N: Not sure what you mean here.  Perhaps that one must eat?
>
> ~~~
>
> >  N: You are right about being too much the hub, I think.  When you are
gone
> > on vacation there is almost total silence here.  But then you are the
only
> > person I know who tries to maintain the list all by yourself.  That
makes it
> > a lot tougher.
> >
> >     Best of luck in a difficult balancing act,
>
> I am not alone here - and there seems to be plenty happening
> right now.  I am just catching up on the posts.

N: No.  That's true and list members seem to be coming foreward now.  Not I
as much as I'd plan, due to a 'bad roof' month and trying to meet some
writing deadlines.
    But what I meant was that the other lists seem to have co-hosts who fill
in during absences.

Blessings, Nancy

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Date:         Wed, 2 May 2001 15:02:57 -0400
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From:         Rob Carlson <rcarls2@UMBC.EDU>
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On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Sheryl Garner wrote:

> I think I did not take enough time to imagine the quest when I described my
> grease slick image <apologetic grin>  That actually described more an image I
> have of Psyber-L now than any quest I envision.  (BTW, Rob... could this
> quest be similar to an egoboo???)

Depends.  Did you read the description of egoboo on the link that I
gave?  Anything you do on the net that gives you "points" or status in a
crowd of your peers counts, I think.  For Slashdot, it's karma, for
Everything2, it's Experience Points, etc.

Rob

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I thought people on this list might be interested in
this....


Aldon

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Hmm, it appears the forwarded text got dropped off...
Here is a retry....

Aldon
--- Ben Moretti <bmoretti@sra.com.au> wrote:
> From: "Ben Moretti" <bmoretti@sra.com.au>
> To: <nettime-l@bbs.thing.net>
> Subject: <nettime> Collective Unconsciousness
> Project
> Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 16:15:48 +0930
> Reply-to: "Ben Moretti" <bmoretti@sra.com.au>
>
> ((For all you Jungians out there ~ make sure you
> explore the interface, the
> dreaming explorer is quite lovely. It is a very cool
> project.))
>
> http://tcup.currentform.com/
>
> The Collective Unconsciousness Project (TCUP) is not
> designed to be a
> finished project, but an evolving framework that is
> both created and changed
> through interaction with it. It exists as both and
> online community and
> personal space, not as straight forward as an
> information driven website,
> but a nonlinear experience based on chance and the
> user's interactions. The
> purpose is to view connections between our dreams.
>
> Users can contribute to the site by logging their
> dreams. This has a double
> effect, both helping to grow the database of dreams
> that the project can
> explore, and creating a personalized dream log for
> each user. The explore
> section of the site is the realization of TCUP. This
> is an environment that
> allows you to travel from dream to dream in a
> nonlinear yet interconnected
> way -- without being made fully aware of what those
> connections are, and
> without being in control of the path you take.
>
> In this way I hope to make the environment itself
> very dreamlike. The next
> dream that you view will be based on the dream you
> are currently viewing,
> what emotions are related to that dream, etc.
> Unexpected connections will be
> made, and interesting stories will be told. Images
> will also surface and
> pass by. Unable to be viewed for very long, these
> snapshots of memories aid
> to the dreamlike interaction.
>
> This exploration of connections in dreams between
> different people isn't
> meant to draw any sort of conclusion about a
> particular dream or be any sort
> of interpretation. Instead I'm hoping to find
> interesting and entertaining
> similarities amongst a string of dreams that are
> connected in some way. The
> nature of your experience with TCUP will change and
> shift in the same ways
> that a dream often does - unexpectedly, yet somehow
> making sense at the
> time.
>
> TCUP is built to scale well, so the more dreams that
> are entered into
> database, the more accurate and interesting the
> connections between one
> dream and the next will be. The ability for
> increased accuracy through
> natural evolution of the system will help this
> project mature with time.
>
> In the explore section there is an email list you
> can sign up for to be
> notified of any future changes to TCUP. If you have
> any questions or
> comment, please send them in.
>
> Thanks for your interest.
>
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Date:         Fri, 4 May 2001 19:05:39 -0400
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You might want to investigate the Dream Log sections of Everything2.com.
There's a massive amount of crosslinked dreams in the database going
back several years, as well as regular journal logs from the same group
of people so you can also see what's going on in their lives.

--
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On Fri, 4 May 2001, Aldon Hynes wrote:

> The Collective Unconsciousness Project (TCUP)

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In a message dated 05/02/2001 1:03:53 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
rcarls2@UMBC.EDU writes:

> Did you read the description of egoboo on the link that I
>  gave?  Anything you do on the net that gives you "points" or status in a
>  crowd of your peers counts, I think.  For Slashdot, it's karma, for
>  Everything2, it's Experience Points, etc.

Rob, I never saw a link you gave for an egoboo description.  I did a brief
search using a egoboo and followed a results link to a game.  The game looked
to be some sort of cumulative experience, a sort of constructing/building so
that was what I took to be the meaning of egoboo.

Sheryl

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Date:         Wed, 16 May 2001 17:54:40 +1200
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Hi all,

As I mentioned a couple of months ago I intend to change the
"platform" for this group.  I know there are other things that
people might want to change... however I aim to make this
transitions purely technical.

~~~

NOTE - you need do nothing to stay in this group.  You will be
automatically added to the list with the new address - there is
no date as yet, but it will be as soon as i can set it all up.
Everything will be much the same. There will be an ANNOUNCEMENT.

~~~

I thought of using the free Yahoo groups - but they did not reply
to me re the "no-ad" option and I know I can't do ads in a place
like this.

I am now in negotiation with a friend here who sets up Linux
stuff - and might move over my whole Psybernet domain to his
server.  That seems like a great move - groups will have the
psybernet name in their address.

We are exploring software - he uses ezmlm - but I don't like it
so now we are looking at Mailman - which looks nice - so far.

The archives will be available to group members.

~~~

WHY?

One reason is the cost to me with L-soft, who charge more and
more as they charge by the amount of archives.  This is not so
bad but I'd like more flexibility to create groups.

~~~

I will keep you informed re developments - all in this "thread".


Warm wishes to all,


Walter

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Date:         Wed, 16 May 2001 12:54:14 -0000
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Walter,

This groups "silence' has definitely been interesting.
I wish to unsubscribe walter and not move to the new list.
best wishes to the group

Linda
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Date:         Tue, 22 May 2001 14:18:17 -0700
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I thought people might be interested in this,
especially the sections where it talks about
technology entering the unconsciousness....


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Date:         Wed, 23 May 2001 11:22:46 +1200
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Aldon

> I thought people might be interested in this,
> especially the sections where it talks about
> technology entering the unconsciousness....
>
>
> Note: forwarded message attached.

Somehow it did not get here... but I found it and have appended below - I have
still to read it.


Walter


~~~


To: nettime-l@bbs.thing.net
Subject: <nettime> Delhi's first Cyborg
From: Shuddhabrata Sengupta <shuddha@sarai.net>
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 16:59:02 +0530


Some Thoughts on the Monkey Man: Delhi's first Cyborg?
(this is a slightly modified version of a posting that first appeared on
the Sarai-Reader-List at http://mail.sarai.net/mailman/listinfo/reader-list)

Parts of Delhi are beseiged by a strange fear..
For a couple of weeks now, sightings of a strange creature, have led to a
climateof anxiety in many parts of East Delhi. The creature, who some say
is a primate,some describe as humanoid, masked, hemeted or furry, not very
big, (five feet or so) with flashing red and green eyes,and extraordinary
powers of movement (the abilitiy to jump between buildings and fly) has
been menacing eastern Delhi and adjoining industrial areas of  Uttar
Pradesh state in northern India.

(for more on the 'Monkey Man' see the slightly condescending New York Times
story at http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/19/world/19INDI.html)

This figure, called 'Monkey Man' / 'Bandar Manav' (monkey man) or
'Naqabposh' (the masked one) appears at night and usually attacks people
sleeping on rooftops. He/It is described as unusually strong and he leaves
scratches on the skin with sharp metallic claws. In a  renet tv interview
,a scared resident of east delhi, a young man,  attributed the monkey man's
powers to a 'computerized system' : flashing bulbs, and an array of buttons
that he presses to help him fly away. Is the 'monkey man' or the 'masked
one' Delhi's first cyborg?

As of now three people (including a preganant woman) have died in  night
stampedes that occurred when someone raised an alarm in their vicinity. A
mob of vigilantes, patrolling a crossroad, have attacked and seriously
wounded a person driving a car late at night because he had a helmet in his
back seat (they thought that he might be the 'helmeted' attacker), several
people have turned up  with scratch marks and other injuries at clinics and
hospitals and quite a few people have been arrested on the charges of
spreading rumours. 3000 armed policemen and 'Rapid Action Force'
paramilitaries are patrolling large parts of East Delhi. Vigil is being
maintained, not only in neighbourhoods, but apparently also on public
telephone booths, where people make calls to police control rooms with news
(hoaxes or apparently real reports) with news of 'Moneky Man' sightings.

What I find amazing is that in the entire discussion about the Monkey Man
in the media in India, no one seems to talk about this palpable sense of
fear that many people feel in our city. The 'Monkey Man' may or may not be
a real threat, but a strange combination of atavistic primate imagery, high
tech gadgetry and the darkness that engulfs the city during power cuts,
have created an image of the other powerful enough to have people
stampeding to death and want intense police patrolling in their
neighbourhoods.

The character of violence in our city -  bombs in the cinema, masked and
mysterious  terrorists in public spaces, sudden and unexplainable attacks
by policemen - is so impersonal and yet so intimate, so routine and yet so
endemic, that it seems to have demanded the existence of an embodied locus
of fear. The twist of 'computerized technology'  signals the deep roots
that the technological imaginry has taken into the unconsious life of
Delhi. And as Radhika Chopra, a sociologist has said, "this is one way in
which the 'invisible parts of the city' " (those dark, power cut and
mosquito laden swamps east of the river) ..."make themselves heard and known".

Perhaps this is what the 'Monkey Man' is all about. The congealment of
routine violence and the invisible making itself visible, picking strands
frorm folklore, mythology, and a science fiction imaginary that percolates
into the slums through television serials, b grade horror movies, comics
and other forms of popular culture.That circulates through rumours and
random anonymous calls made to harass the police from public phone booths.
This is an urban contemporary form of cultural expression making sense of
the violence of everyday life. I think it needs to be understood and
treated with respect.The way in which the mainstream media has been
treating the phenomenon, first with derision, then with condescension, and
finally by asking for strict police measures only means that the elite are
not the terrorised in the city. The 'Monkey Man' will never step into their
barricaded colonies of South and Central New Delhi. Fear only belongs to
the outer edge of Delhi.

As I drive from Karkardooma crossing to Patparganj depot, (both in East
Delhi) I see a forty foot high statue of an armed and vigilant Hanuman, the
monkey god of hindu mythology.This popular and benign monkey divinity, whom
one calls upon when confronted by ghosts and unknown terrors of the night,
seems hardly a match for the diminutive humanoid simian wearing a helmet
who has been terrorising Mandaoli - an urban village that nestles under the
shadow of the Karkardooma Hanuman statue.

  I wonder what other terrors the city has in store for us, a ghostly car
that mows down  the people who sleep on pavements,  androids who gas slums,
telephone spirits who spread whispers of fear, vampire vigilantes in night
shelters  and cyborg terrorists battling it out with robo-cops in the old
city. The nights of Delhi seem strangely portentious.Meanwhile the
deployment of armed, helmeted and masked paramilitaries - the 'Monkey Men
of the State' continue, as do the search orders and the raids.

Incidentally, large parts of East Delhi have been spared lengthy power cuts
in the last few days. This is so that the neighbourhoods are not entirely
dark at night.

Shuddhabrata Sengupta
SARAI: The New Media Initiative
Centre for the Study of Developing Societies
29, Rajpur Road, Delhi 110 052, India
www.sarai.net


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..and another article about Myth and the changes in
communication....


--- Ken Friedman <ken.friedman@bi.no> wrote:
> To: <air-l@aoir.org>
> From: Ken Friedman <ken.friedman@bi.no>
> Subject: [Air-l] DAILY NEWS, ETERNAL STORIES
> Reply-to: air-l@aoir.org
> Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 15:09:18 +0200
>
>
> DAILY NEWS, ETERNAL STORIES
>
> Jack Lule uncovers seven myths that shape
> journalism. He uses the
> example of Haiti to explain the unconscious racism
> of the U.S. press
>
> The Myth In Journalism
>
> 05/16/01
>
> http://www.mediachannel.org/views/oped/lule.shtml
>
> Jack Lule's book, "Daily News, Eternal Stories: The
> Mythological Role of
> Journalism" examines the difference between news as
> "information" and news
> as "story" with characters, plot and theme. For
> Lule, myth does not mean
> untrue tales, but rather great stories emphasizing
> "archetypal figures and
> forms" and "exemplary models" that play crucial
> social roles for humankind.
> In this definition, such figures, forms and models
> represent shared values
> and help people better understand the complexities,
> good and bad, of human
> life.
>
> By analyzing case studies involving Black Panther
> Huey Newton, Mother
> Teresa, baseball player Mark McGuire and Hurricane
> Mitch, among others,
> Lule  a great storyteller himself  demonstrates
> seven master myths in the
> news that shape our thinking about foreign policy,
> terrorism, race
> relations, political dissent and other issues. He
> calls them The Victim,
> The Scapegoat, The Hero, The Good Mother, The
> Trickster, The Other World
> and The Flood.
>
> As Lule writes in this selection, digital technology
> may either nourish "a
> far-reaching medley of voices and stories" or else
> impose "the crushing
> conformity of a few global scribes." He uses Haiti
> to illustrate the
> latter, perceiving an unconscious racism in the
> coverage of Haitian
> politics by The New York Times. Lule's reading is
> neither academic nor
> literary but an insistence that storytelling,
> including its cultural and
> social role, is crucial to the revitalization and
> survival of journalism.
>
> Andrew Levy, ( Andrew@mediachannel.org), Editor
>
> =======================================
>
> As Myth, News Will Be Crucial But Conflicted In An
> Online World
>
> Myth and
> the new technology may seem to be an unlikely pair.
> But we have already
> seen that myth has adapted to every storytelling
> medium from tribal tales
> to cable television. The new technology is no
> different. The combination of
> myth and online news, though, will produce
> intriguing, paradoxical, perhaps
> ominous, results.
>
> The information model of journalism, already in
> great disrepair, will be
> dismantled by the marriage of myth and new media.
> News is losing whatever
> franchise it had on whatever information is.
> Information is no longer some
> scarce resource, a commodity that newspeople can
> cull and sell. Our society
> rapidly moved from information explosion to
> information overload.
> Information is everywhere. From online events
> calendars to live, continuous
> congressional coverage, anyone can give and get
> information online. If news
> is only information, news is nothing.
>
> Yet information overload offers opportunities to
> news: as myth. In the
> throes of all this information, the need for myth
> increases. People grapple
> with the meaning of rapidly changing times. People
> seek out ways in which
> they can organize and explain the world. People need
> stories. Myth has long
> played these roles. Myth has identified and
> organized important events in
> the lives of individuals and societies. Myth has
> interpreted and explained
> the meaning of the past, the portents of the future.
> Myth has offered the
> stability of story in unstable times.
>
> Decades ago, Marshall McLuhan foresaw the increasing
> need for myth to
> organize experience in the face of information
> overload. "You cannot cope
> with vast amounts of information in the old
> fragmentary classified
> patterns," he told literary critic Frank Kermode in
> a 1964 interview. "You
> tend to go looking for mythic and structural forms
> in order to manage such
> complex data, moving at very high speeds."
>
> "So the electric engineers often speak of pattern
> recognition as a normal
> need of people processing data electrically and by
> computers and so on  the
> need for pattern recognition," McLuhan said. "It's a
> need which the poets
> foresaw a century ago in their drive back to mythic
> forms of organizing
> experience." And so myth and new technology offer
> opportunities to one
> another. In a modern, wired world, the news provides
> pattern
> recognition  mythic forms of organizing experience.
>
> State scribes stand poised to exploit these
> opportunities  perhaps to the
> detriment of society. Amid the chaos of the
> information explosion, the
> authority of the storyteller seems likely to
> increase. In the din of a
> million voices, the voice of an established
> storyteller, for better or
> worse, attains even more status. We have already
> seen evidence of this
> power in the infancy of online news. Dramatic events
>  the election of a
> president, a terrorist killing, a celebrity trial, a
> devastating
> flood  bring a rush of readers to the Web sites of
> traditional news
> outlets, the established "brands," the state
> scribes.
>
> And the power of the state scribes is being
> enhanced, politically and
> economically, as they join together in huge global
> conglomerates. As
> previous propositions affirmed, it's always been
> dangerous to have
> storytelling power invested in a select social few.
> Power corrupts.  And in
> our times of consolidation of new and news media,
> the danger looms larger.
> State scribes, long beholden to privileged and
> powerful rulers, now are
> also compromised by their responsibilities to
> stockholders, corporate
> owners, and even to other scribes to whom they have
> been married and
> merged. It is a perilous world in which a very few
> voices, so compromised,
> can signal to society what is important and what is
> not, how to act and how
> not, who is worthy and who is not.
>
> The Web, though, is terribly tangled. Myth and new
> technology may actually
> pose threats to the state scribes as well. People
> are increasingly able to
> seek out stories and storytellers who challenge and
> reject views of the
> state scribes. People have the ability to find
> others who share and confirm
> their views of the world, bypassing the
> communication of the scribes.
> For example, people with disabilities can find each
> other online and
> organize to challenge their exclusion from
> positions, power, and print.
> Political candidates unaffiliated with the two major
> parties have a means
> to reach a larger audience. Hate groups, isolated in
> their own communities,
> can seek support from around the world. What happens
> online in all these
> different connections? People share stories. They
> sustain each other with
> stories that draw from archetypal figures and forms
> to offer exemplary
> models and meaning for human life. They tell each
> other news  as myth.
> Through these disparate online stories, the status
> of state scribes quite
> possibly can be challenged. Digital technology thus
> has the possibility to
> nourish a far-reaching medley of voices and stories
> or to impose the
> crushing conformity of a few global scribes.
>
> Myth, News Values And A New World
>
> With the end of the cold war and the beginning of a
> new century, U.S. news
> coverage of international affairs finds itself at a
> crossroads. For
> previous generations of reporters and editors, the
> world could be organized
> and explained in relation to the political,
> military, economic and cultural
> rivalry of two superpowers. News values the criteria
> by which the news
> media select, order, report and give meaning to
> events  were structured by
> this one dominant model, a model that has tumbled
> with the stones from the
> Berlin Wall. Today, the questions facing [The New
> York] Times and other
> news organizations include: How is international
> news to be defined in this
> new era? What news values will guide the selection
> and shaping of events?
>
> As we have seen, two models have emerged. One model
> has embraced the era as
> a time of promise for journalism. This model
> valorizes aggressive,
> progressive news values that promote social justice,
> and might be called
> the model of "a new global and human journalism."
> Other scholars have
> offered a more pessimistic model, a model of
> international news dictated by
> the actions and initiatives of U.S. foreign policy.
> This model might be
> described as promoting "Fortress America" in a world
> of chaos.
>
> This chapter has offered a preliminary assessment of
> the prospects for each
> model through a case study: the work of one Times
> correspondent, the
> reporting of Larry Rohter from Haiti. Analysis of
> that reporting supports
> the most cheerless view of post-Cold War news
> values. In the amount of
> coverage, the nature of the content, and the
> strategies offered, Rohter's
> reporting for [The New York] Times can be seen as
> working in concert with
> U.S. foreign policy. Even as that policy shifted
> course rejecting the
> junta, warily restoring Aristide, but insisting that
> he accept U.S.
> policy  so too did the reporting.  Fears that U.S.
> foreign correspondence
> would become captive to U.S. foreign policy were
> realized in Rohter's
> reports.
>
> To restate the particulars: The influence of U.S.
> foreign policy can be
> seen quite readily in the sheer amount of Rohter's
> Haitian coverage. As the
> Clinton administration made Haiti one of its first
> major foreign policy
> campaigns, Rohter gave over most of his work for
> almost two years to
> following Haiti. The Caribbean correspondent of the
> Times over some 20
> months [from July 1994 through February 1996] filed,
> for example, five
> stories from El Salvador, three stories from
> Colombia, three stories from
> Honduras, two stories from Trinidad and none from
> the Dominican Republic.
>    From Haiti, as previously noted, Rohter filed 120
> stories.
>
> The themes of Rohter's reporting also worked in
> concert with U.S. policy.
> Rohter's reporting did not stray far from U.S.
> policy perspectives. As the
> United States prepared for an invasion to remove
> Cedras, U.S. officials
> postured mightily through Rohter's reporting.
> Rohter's denunciations of the
> regime and his chronicling of the junta's repression
> made a case for U.S.
> intervention. At the same time, his depictions of
> Aristide as the rightful
> leader, whose return would bring peace and
> reconciliation, also bolstered
> the U.S. case.
>
> When Aristide and U.S. policy soon began to
> conflict, Rohter's themes
> shifted. The uplifting portrayals of Aristide and
> the lavalas movement
> segued to critical accounts of intransigent ideology
> and radical leftist
> politics. As FRAPH continued to terrorize the
> population and U.S. forces
> refused to move against them, Rohter's avoidance of
> the U.S.-FRAPH
> relationship shielded Times readers from the U.S.
> establishment of a
> conservative "counterweight" to Aristide's
> progressive politics. And
> Rohter's depiction of Haiti as an "ungovernable"
> place whose people were
> not "culturally or psychologically" equipped for the
> demands of democracy
> captured the patronizing and paternalistic attitudes
> that have driven U.S.
> imperialism in the Caribbean for decades.
>
> Haiti As The Other World
>
> Myth provides another, complementary way to
> understand Rohter's coverage.
> Like all reporters, Rohter did not have to create
> brand-new story forms to
> report events from Haiti. He, his editors and his
> sources consistently drew
> upon an established narrative  an eternal story
> that helped shape coverage
> even as it explained and justified U.S. policy. In
> Rohter's reports, we can
> see the unmistakable structure of the myth of the
> Other World.
>
> Underlying the reporting of Haiti's political
> turmoil turmoil orchestrated
> often by U.S. policies  is a classic portrayal.
> Haiti is rendered as a
> primitive land, filled with danger and chaos, and
> ruled by death squads and
> paramilitary patrols who leave the streets littered
> with corpses. Its
> helpless people perversely admire bloody shows of
> force as they engage in
> animal sacrifice and bone-stealing voodoo rituals,
> even on Christmas.  And
> they passively remain under the sway of rogue
> leaders and psychotic priests
> with no respect for order or reason or privatizing
> industry. It's a
> nightmare world.
>
> Rohter provides us with a modern depiction of the
> Other World, one that
> also seeks to define our society in relation to
> other societies. As
> [Jean-Pierre] Vernant argued [in "Myth and Society
> in Ancient Greece"],
> myth "expresses how a group of people in particular
> historical
> circumstances sees itself." The myth expressed in
> Rohter's reporting
> portrays a mighty and superior people descending
> with fascination and
> disgust into a primitive place on the globe. The
> Other World is a world to
> be feared and perhaps someday avoided. But for now
> it's a world in
> desperate need of U.S. guidance and military might.
>
> The Other World In U.S. International News
>
> The Other World is not a rare
> portrayal in U.S. news.  Close reading of the Times
> and other newspapers
> shows that reporting of international affairs often
> relies on the myth of
> the Other World. In fact, many nations do not appear
> in U.S. news unless
> and until they provide stories that allow the myth
> to be told. From around
> the world, U.S. reporters and editors apply news
> values that judge other
> nations newsworthy when they provides stories of
> bloody coups, tribal
> warfare, perverse politics, strange customs and
> other tales of the
> underworld for the U.S. audience back home.
>
> Even a cursory reading of international news shows
> the influence of the
> myth of the Other World on news values.  We find
> stories about animal
> sacrifice in Taiwan; female genital cutting in
> Africa; the stoning of the
> devil at Mecca; a thwarted coup in Qatar; Central
> American drug warlords; a
> military junta in Sierra Leone; genocide in Rwanda;
> ethnic cleansing in
> Kosovo; stolen Aboriginal children in Australia; and
> many other dark tales.
> Once again, we can marvel at the durability of myth.
> A tale told for
> centuries is told to usher the United States into
> the 21st century.
>
> Modern mythology, Joseph Campbell said, confronts an
> enormously complex
> "fact-world that now has to be recognized,
> appropriated and assimilated."
> U.S. society today faces an enormously complex
> "fact-world," a post-Cold
> War world in which the United States is the lone
> superpower on the world
> stage. U.S. international news confronts that world
> through tales of the
> Other World. It offers coverage that affirms U.S.
> superiority and other
> nations' inferiority. It provides scary, fantastic
> stories of a world beset
> by anarchy and chaos. It promotes the "image of
> 'Fortress America,' an
> island of civilization in a sea of political
> barbarism." It does all this
> with a myth as old as Odysseus.
>
> -------------
>
> Jack Lule is a professor of journalism and chair of
> the Department of
> Journalism and Communication at Lehigh University in
> Pennsylvania. He has
> published widely and has won numerous awards for
> excellence in research and
> teaching. A former bartender, truck driver and
> reporter, Lule continues to
> be an avid observer of the American scene and a
> frequent contributor to
> newspapers and periodicals.
>
> -------
>
> This essay was excerpted from the book "Daily News,
> Eternal Stories: The
> Mythological Role of Journalism," by Jack Lule (New
> York: The Guilford
> Press, 2001).  Copyright  2001. Reprinted with
> permission of The Guilford
> Press.
>
>
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