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Hi all,

A post with a few bits from all over.

>    CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!

Janell, and all who sent me such nice wishes, thank you.

It is good to have completed something my thesis, and somewhat of
a surprise to discover that I am now a Psychodrama Director...
I have done it when I no longer really feel so hot about it all!
I have integrated psychodrama into my whole process and have
little to do with the psychodrama movement. But it is a big part
of my life and there is some closure here for me... and more to
come as I actually get the certificate etc.

>     The process in the U.S. is much different from what your's is, but
> nevertheless it's a difficult path, and I know you've worked hard to attain
> your Directorship as I did here. I'll definitely take the time to read your
> thesis.

How do you think it differs?  Are you familiar with the
Australian and NZ system?  Is it uniform in the US? I had a sense
that there were different approaches in different regions.  I was
at a conference in Amsterdam many years ago, and was part of a
workshop with someone from the US where they did not physically
role reverse in the drama.  I did not like it at all, but i guess
its what you get taught and get used to.

But otoh I am not always comfortable with that either... it can
be a very heavily directed method which then creates its own
dynamics around the process, distracting from or unconsciously
reenacting the content of the work.

~

I have been back at work a month and working hard.  My week is
fairly full up with individual clients and groups. A good thing,
as I love the work, and need the practice to go well for my
lifestyle, but not so good for my psyber-life.  I am often active
here when things are quiet at work, which has been the case on
occasions.  There seems to be an ebb and flow to all of it. Up
here at my holiday house and did admin all day!  I am looking to
integrate more of my online work into my practice.  I currently
do not do cyber-therapy, but might explore it again some time.
Does anyone have experienc with that?  What has been interesting
is my increased use of email with my f2f therapy clients.

~

Have been involved in other Psybernet related internet stuff...
exploring aspects of collaboration.

In a way we collaborate here as we interact and dialogue, I am
thinking of how we can co-create documents, write together.  With
some others, I have been reviewing internet tools for that, and
contemplating the *process* and psychological aspects of co-work.
Psyber stuff, but in a slightly different context and would be
happy to say more off-list, if anyone wants to explore that type
of thing. Also setting up a writing project on the "Language of
Online Interaction" let me know if you would like to contribute.

~

On my mind and in my Work in Progress folder is the Public and
Open mailing list for Psybernet.  Some may recall that part of
making this Psyber-L more closed was the plan to create another
list, with a different purpose.  I am working on that with Dan,
and it may be hosted on his Lyris listserver.  All in its own
time.  The sort of thing I am thinking of is one that is
moderated, and has short articles, stories, information all of a
"psyber" nature.  It could also have discussion topics for a set
time perhaps hosted and moderated by someone.  I'd be happy to
hear from anyone who has ideas for such a list.

~

My machines -- skip if this bores you. That applies to all the
bits or the whole post! Of course... but for some reason I feel
good if I write about our dog Eli, but it seems machines are not
a good thing to write about in this psyber space.  What the hell.
I have a desktop machine which *was* my big fast one, AMD K6 233
etc.  and now a new laptop:  Acer Pentium II which I had to get
when my Toshiba mother board blew up, just before the wedding,
(oh if you are going to be that serious with *her* I'll have to
seek revenge... well it killed itself!).  I have a deep need for
my 2 machines to "talk" to each other. They did that for years,
but not since some time around August 98.  I have spent hours
reinstalling Windows, trying other cards etc.  What a waste of
time!  The desktop is back after having been treated by a network
engineer.  It has Win 98 installed and they talk now! They are
connected with an crossover cable and ethernet cards.  A good
thing!  It means I can be more efficiently present, and enjoy it
more.

~

My web pages.
I get urges to do ant like work on them.  While i have not been
active in posting here, I have related some of my Links to themes
that have come up here.  Have a look if you like:

http://www.psybernet.co.nz/links.htm

~

I am up here with the dog, and we drove to the beach today.  He
loved the run, and chasing the stick in the waves.  He hates it
when I just sit here and type, he pushes me away from the machine
and I *have* to go for a walk.  That's a good thing.  Talking
about walks.  In the next few weeks Kate & I have two tramps
planned.  One for 2 days and then one for 5,  the "Three Passes"
over the main divide near Arthur's pass.

http://www.canterburypages.co.nz/explore/arthurspass/

http://www.canterburypages.co.nz/explore/inland/inlanmap.html

All for now,


Walter










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Nancy,

> Nancy
> Wondering...and hoping everyone appreciates the 'discipline' it
> took for me to 'snip' so  much of Stephen's wonderful post.

I certainly appreciate it!  I still have Stephen's full post
unhashed in my Psyber-L folder and so there is no loss at all.

Thanks for your efforts in this regard.  It really is helpful, I
noticed when printing a swag of (older) discussion to read over
lunch the other day how occasionally there would be two or three
pages of quotes just to see one line of comment... this way it is
much easier on the forests.


Walter

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Stephen,

> Two, I've encountered it as a synchronistic moment, delivered by a friend
> or stranger, during which a 'message' spoken 'through them' resonated with
> my hidden essential imperative.

Arranged by an angel.  No wonder we have the idea of a Cupid...
looking at why people fall in love, get married it is a mystery
how unsuited they are on the surface... more of a mystery how at
the level of the "hidden essential imperative" there is a perfect
match.

I am better at seeing it in others than in my own marriage... I
can't name the "hidden essential imperative" there.

Is there an angel at work here?  (Nancy, on this occasion "here"
refers to the metaphoricalreality of Psyber-L!)  We have been
looking for one, perhaps, in our Eros and Psyche moments (here).


Walter

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Walter:

     It differs in that we do not need to write a thesis and have it
accepted, what we do need, after 780 hours of approved training, is to pass
a five hour written exam which covers seven areas of Psychodrama competency
and then pass an on-site evaluation by a representative of the American
Board of Examiners. This process is uniform thorough out the US and Canada
and is governed by the American Board of Examiners.

  There are no different approaches when it comes to the exam and the
on-site, however there may be some different approaches when it comes to
the style of the training in the 780 hours of required hours before being
able to enter the  certification process. I've never heard of someone who
didn't physically do role reversals (speaking as the Director), although I
believe there may be some individuals not too comfortable with doing it
(from the clients point of view).

  I have a little familiarity with the Australian and NZ system having had
some conversation with someone from there who is now living in the US
(Peter Dummett).


>How do you think it differs?  Are you familiar with the
>Australian and NZ system?  Is it uniform in the US? I had a sense
>that there were different approaches in different regions.  I was
>at a conference in Amsterdam many years ago, and was part of a
>workshop with someone from the US where they did not physically
>role reverse in the drama.  I did not like it at all, but i guess
>its what you get taught and get used to.

    I'm not quite certain what you're trying to say in this next paragraph
Walter so I'll refrain from commenting on it.

>
>But otoh I am not always comfortable with that either... it can
>be a very heavily directed method which then creates its own
>dynamics around the process, distracting from or unconsciously
>reenacting the content of the work.
>


    Janell

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Wayne, all,

Greetings. I apologize for taking so long to respond. Your contribution to
this thread resonated, yet my sitting on it got, soon, subsumed into the
sturm and drang of f2f life. Tonight, it's early Saturday here in
Cleveland, and, what the heck, it's been an intense day for ol' Steve, so I
get back to your post, with the bubbling of my complexes still perking.

That's part of the context of course.  Today was a day of two
confrontations with two variants of twenty-something maleness, the first a
no doubt stoned dude who, when asked at the sales counter where he had put
a cassette single he had been holding in his hand, immediatly reacted this
way:

"You fucking punk-assed bitch nigger-hater, you fucking punk ass go look
for it your self." (repeat about six or seven times at high volume)

Well, you try to reason with the person, right? Wrong? Certainly one
doesn't want to be shot, on the other hand. I don't ever press my case
beyond the fundamental inquiry. But, to that inquiry I always stick.

"Umm, you had a single in your hand, I was just asking you where you put it."

His response,

"You motherfucker, I said go look for it. You think I stole it. Fuck you
you fuckin' bitch punk, I got more money in my pocket than you get in a
fuckin' month. Who the fuck do you think you are you bitch? This nigger's
gonna take his money somewhere else. You fucking punk assed bitch, fuck
you. I don't want your fucking tape, go fuck yourself you bitch. (repeat: '
You fucking punk assed bitch, fuck you.' about ten times.)"

(I lock eyes with him. Somewhat a risky move; but backing down can be more
perilous. I pick up the phone as he stands at the door, his girlfriend who
hasn't said a word, is trying to pull him out of the store. I dial security
and he's gone.)

All in a day's work...

So, I come home and there is no parking next to my house. Amazingly, all
six spots are being used by combinations of the two households full of grad
students who live in the duplex next door, but nobody is home in either
place. So, I double park my car, figuring that when somebody gets home I'll
get a chance to clarify the parking rules, (which are this simple: you pay
rent in either house, you get one of the ten parking spots).

An hour later, I see somebody's come home next door, parked their car on
the street. So, I walk over and knock on the door and, sticking my head
into their foyer, ask if any persons, (five are now sitting in the living
room,) who don't live here would like to move their car so I, who do next
door, may park in 'my' moving-target-like space. Several volunteer that
they don't live there, but they both say they won't move their cars. A
young woman steps forward and tells me she'll ask one of them to move their
car. I turn around and then hear behind me a male ask me,

"Hey, how old are you, eh?"

(I turn back around to see a young man in the doorway. I don't reason I'll
answer him, but it doesn't matter because he's off and running."

He continues, "I'd say about three years old, blocking the driveway like
that to prove your point. Yeah, how old are you anyway?"

"Would you like to step outside and talk about parking and my age?"

He responds, "Oh, that's good, Now you're about two, you wanna fight me, huh?"

"No, I really just want my parking space because I'm a renter just like you."

"Oh, sure so block the driveway like an asshole."

"Excuse me?"

"Pull a children's stunt to inconvenience others and get your way. Good move."

"Listen you fucking punk, you don't want to figure this out, that's your
choice, but you want to insult me why don't you come here and try to back
it up?" (Hi Mr.Complex!)

(Rest of conversation locked in mutual primitive failures-to-communicate. A
couple of minutes later I leave. A half hour later the girl comes over and
tells me I have a spot, and I apologize while wondering what was the matter
with her roommate. She tells me, 'Oh he thought there was a confrontation
he needed to intervene in."

I wonder out loud, "Or was he upset that the driveway was blocked."

"Oh, he didn't like that at all." She tells me.)

***

How many days do you get called a 'fucking punk' and then get to turn
around and call a completely different antagonist a fucking punk?

Also, as far as old and young souls go, I don't know what to say as far as
the age gap goes...today twice I got into situations where I could really
feel the gap. When I was in my twenties, me and my own generally thought we
knew something different than all older folk but we never thought we knew
more. Today, at least from the part of my livinglivelihood having to do
with daily interaction with young people, I'd say, again generally, the
attitude of the young person, is not that they know something different,
rather that: 'knowing more is useless', and so the real goods are: in
*knowing better*.

It makes for appalling to-me-the-old-fogey moments of incredible
disrespect, not only toward me but observed toward grown-ups in general.
(Sh*t, and there's my shadow, ag'in.) But I would wonder what this current
of young souls is about.

I work from the assumption that younger people will, at the cutting edge,
be much more conscious, sophisticated, sensitive than me and my ilk. Yes?
Grow into old soulhood?

Meanwhile, on bad days, it seems like all youth come from broken homes;
"don't tell me what to do!"

***

Wayne, you wrote,

"if the soul has infinite properties then everysoul is part of the allsoul
which is infinitely old. if the key to knowing your soul is to become one
with god then when you do so you will see your life in all. there is no
other person or lifetime. you are charles manson and bill clinton as well
as jesus and mohammed. all souls are as ancient as the universe"

and, this is terrific,

"if you dont believe in coincidence then that will *be* the
coincidence.[not seeing them]. also dont forget that everyone else is
bleeding thier coincident into the world, so thoughts require huge amounts
of power b4 a crystal clear coinky occurs.

(Coinkys on a continuum of clarity..hmmmm, maybe too a continuum of
clarifying self-process(es) also. (?))

***

A keeper: "the secret is to turn off your mind then see which way the
universe is pushing your awareness. this will be the sum of existance for
your locale as it is created by the "others" in motion."

Well, the upshot is the kind of amping and clumping I get on rare days like
today, (and maybe such patterning is available to be unveiled every day,)
when the 'look for it your self' and 'how old are you' angels are in my
face, I come back to *which way the universe is pushing*.

***

best to all in the moment,

Stephen in Clepheland


>>Although we cannot choose what happens to us, we can choose how we
>>respond. Do you want to be good? Then first understand you are bad.<<
>>Epictetus

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Stephen

Your day comes alive here in rural Canterbury NZ through your
description...  Hollywood is why the flow of action & language is
familiar, but the sense of real universe pushing at you like this
has more impact on me than a movie. The danger and the tension is
very present in your day...

How the push of the universe can vary!  Here today it was simply
the dog wanting me to walk, and then I felt drawn to the summit
of one of the larger hills around here I had not been up.  A
1500m bump on the Tinline range.  I wish I had pictures...
nothing for miles but hills, gravel, rocks, bush, river and sea
in the distance.

Strange creature that I am I listen to our public National
Program as I walk and heard about the Treaty of Waitangi
Celebrations

http://www.govt.nz/nz_info/treaty.shtml

confrontations on the marae and debate about race relations in
NZ.

This was followed by a delightful interview Che Fu and music from
his album 2b Spacific.

http://www.nelson.co.nz/everyman/special.html

Colonisation... cultural values...


Walter






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Hi folks,
Greetings from snowy central Oregon. I've just come in from sweeping the
walk in a valiant effort to keep ahead of the thick and steady
accumulation that is sure to go on all day only to find two wonderful
posts from Stephen and Walter.

Stephan, your post sent me scurrying to find a quote that I have
(somewhere!) on a little piece of turquoise paper about recognizing
eveything that appears in your world as an aspect of yourself. That I
even thought I could find it, living as I still am in unpacked boxes, is
kind of laughable, but I tried. If I ever do find it I'll post it. I used
to keep it on my kitchen cabinet when I was in California. Then when I
first moved here it was on my desk. But now that I've moved into the
house I don't know where it is yet.

It goes something like: until you realize that everything that appears in
front of you is a part of you and until you learn to be friends with all
aspects, etc, etc, - nothing new as this wisdom goes, but the way it is
said is unsparing and uncompromising and for that reason has stayed with
me (although obviously not well enough or I could quote it from memory!)
This 'recognizing everything that appears as you" is kind of like a
mantra practice for me...it lets me know where I am because if someone in
front of me is doing something I don't like then I haven't integrated
those aspects in myself and there's still work to do....obviously. It
helps me not kid myself about unfinished business. For me what I've
noticed lately are issues around blame...there are two women that I work
with sometimes in the clinic who are very into blaming- who know.. who
did it? let's find out who did it so we can blame/shame them and then our
world is in order.
Well, what that tells me is that I still want to blame/shame even if I
think I've given that up as an activity. At the very least, under the
right conditions, it could come roaring back. Kind of discouraging but
kind of reassuring too in that I know where the work is.

I was having a conversation with a friend yesterday about how the work is
never done and how we need to make friends with that too. And about being
at peace with our imperfections. Actually Thich Nhat Han has a wonderful
poem entitled "Call Me by My True Names" (I thought of it when I read
Wayne's post) in which he says I am the rapist AND the flower' - ALL
aspects - nothing rejected, everything intergrated by acceptance. I once
asked a Zen teacher what Zen was and he said "Self-acceptance." Cause he
knew that was what I had to work on....and I am. And everytime I
encounter someone who doesn't accept me I know I don't accept me either.
We are all so deep and vast, the depths of our uncaring are unfathomable
as well as the depths of our love. Somebody must have said that....

But I am the beautiful snow too....

btw, speaking of angels...I have a little gold angel cherub lying on her
stomach sitting on top of my compuyter with her pudgy litte arms
extended. In her cupped hands she is offering me a rose as I write. A
friend gave it to me awhile back for Valentine's Day (coming up!). So we
do have one little angel here Walter, in spirit at least. There may be
others with more effective powers just at our shoulders. I actually have
quite a few....;)

Enough for now. It's a day to stay inside except for brief sweeping
excursions and read a book, finish little projects, stare at the fire and
be warm.

I feel cheerfully warm toward all of you....

Cheryl

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Walter Logeman wrote:...

> ...looking at why people fall in love, get married it is a mystery
> how unsuited they are on the surface... more of a mystery how at
> the level of the "hidden essential imperative" there is a perfect
> match.
>

N: Walter, have you read Marriage - Dear or Alive, by Adolf Guggenbubl-Craig?
As
I recall his primise was that the 'other' is the one best suited for working out
you 'kinks' with

> Is there an angel at work here?  (Nancy, on this occasion "here"
> refers to the metaphoricalreality of Psyber-L!)  We have been
> looking for one, perhaps, in our Eros and Psyche moments (here).
>
> Walter

N: I wonder.

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Date:         Sun, 7 Feb 1999 18:14:38 -0800
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Stephen Calhoun wrote:

>   Today was a day of two
> confrontations with two variants of twenty-something maleness,
>
> ***
>

N: However well told, this was one post it was a pleasure to <snip>!

  I once had a professor who on a certain bad day said he felt like going home,
curling
up in a fetal position and turning the electric blanket on high.
  I have read that the 'soul' is a shy creature and vulnerable to harshness.  I
would think
yours must have felt about like my professor on your 'very bad day'.

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Nancy

> N: Walter, have you read Marriage - Dear or Alive, by Adolf
> Guggenbubl-Craig?  As I recall his primise was that the 'other'
> is the one best suited for working out  you 'kinks' with

Indeed!  I don't think i could ever have married last November
without it.  Actually I did get married without it as it was
stolen out of my car along with my precious black bag full of
many things, the day before the wedding.

That was my second copy gone the other one i lent to someone.

It is out of print at the moment, but being re-printed by Spring
(publications) soon.

I liked the book, and quote its wisdom often.  Things like
marriage is not a welfare institution.


Walter


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Date:         Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:23:19 GMT
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I am pleased to welcome you Jim,

I recall our earlier contact in the Dream event with fondness, and your
powerful presence simply through letting us know you were drumming for
the group! There you were known as <jim the elder> we had a young one as
well.

I am not sure if you have been in this Psyber-L list before?  I hope you
find it a good place to be.

Here is what you sent me... this will go to all 30 or so on the list, I
hope it helps us all to become more conscious of who we are with here.


Walter


<jim's words>

i wonder at using <jim the elder>.  for one thing, there might be
another jim who is even older.

lets go with <jimd>.

i sit three mornings a week with about 15 people who have experienced
strokes.  usually the stroke manifests itself with paralysis on side
or the other of the individual.

what amazes me is that in some cases the individual has retrained
himself so that he can use both hands!

some speak clearly, but some do not.

in a sense i don't fit in with them at all.  my parkinson's is very
mild and i am beginning to understand that my use of my voice and
vocal delivery is the outgrowth of years of "toastmaster" club
experience

yet, one of the parkinson members is extremely affected (effected?)
and i am so active that i feel guilty.

anyway, whatever else is going on, these people have been a rich
education to me.

one individual who i thought was a parkinson says she has never
been diagnosed.  i think the sinemet tablets (three a day) i take
have made me healthier.

i may add to the bio later, but the main thing i miss at this time
is the ability to solder wires one to another.  my hands are not
stable.

                      regards to all     jimd

</jim's words>
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> N: Hello, Jim.  Both of my parents had Parkinson's.  I was told that it
> was Parkinson's

Syndrome (an after a/effect of having had flu in 1918) rather than P
Disease.  Now
doctors look at me with no recognition in their eyes when I tell them this.
Have you heard
of such a distinction?

> <jim's words>
> some speak clearly, but some do not.
>
> in a sense i don't fit in with them at all.  my parkinson's is very
> mild and i am beginning to understand that my use of my voice and
> vocal delivery is the outgrowth of years of "toastmaster" club
> experience

N: I am not clear whether you are saying that the 'toastmast' club
experience helped of
hurt your voice.  My father could only whisper and was told it was because
of years of
using his voice in a lower register than might have been normal while public
speaking.
Are you saying something like that?  Or the opposite?

> yet, one of the parkinson members is extremely affected (effected?)
> and i am so active that i feel guilty.
>
> anyway, whatever else is going on, these people have been a rich
> education to me.
>
> one individual who i thought was a parkinson says she has never
> been diagnosed.  i think the sinemet tablets (three a day) i take
> have made me healthier.

N: I will try to look up sinemet.  I have been prescribed 'propananol' for
what was
diagnosed as 'essential tremor' (like your, mine is not severe) which has a
depressive
side affect, so mostly I don't take it.

>
> i may add to the bio later, but the main thing i miss at this time
> is the ability to solder wires one to another.  my hands are not
> stable.

N: Sounds like you have some mechanical or electronic interests.  Yes?

>                       regards to all     jimd
> N: Welcome aboard 'the good ship Psyber-pop.

             Nancy


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> Is there an angel at work here?  (Nancy, on this occasion "here"
> refers to the metaphoricalreality of Psyber-L!)  We have been
> looking for one, perhaps, in our Eros and Psyche moments (here).
>
> Walter
>

N: Hmmm...  I've been pondering this off and on.  Do you recall I said I was
approaching the ferryman and the way back from Hades wondering if my 'coin' was
enough or if
the rate might have gone up?  I woke this morning from a dream fragment where
I'd
been warned that there'd be a toll to cross a foot bridge.  Sure enough the
bridge minder
stopped me.  I had to scrounge around for the fee (lest than a quarter)
Fortunately he was
willing to accept two part nickels as one whole nickel.  There was a lion drawn
apart
on the nickels.  I'm a Leo, March winds...?

Nancy
Still wondering
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Hi all,

Kate & I are about to drive off to Arthur's Pass and will be away in the hills
until Monday 22 feb.  We have our biggish tent, heaps of food, ice axes and
crampons to get over the highest pass.  Great to be on holiday again!

I will still be in psyberspace, it goes with me wherever I go!  However I will
have no gadgets with me, so I will be there connecting up with Kate and storing
up stuff in my brain till I can download upon my return.

All the best,

Walter
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Date:         Wed, 17 Feb 1999 15:31:41 -0500
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Walter,
wonderful to visualize all the happiness flowing...I'm in another health
crisis so lovely news of any kind brings a healing bath

Blessings
Judith

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Judith Buerkel wrote:

> Walter,
> wonderful to visualize all the happiness flowing...I'm in another health
> crisis (N: Sorry to hear it, Judith.  I'd always heard that Arizona was
> one of the

healthful states.      Take care,  Nancy)


> so lovely news of any kind brings a healing bath
>
> Blessings
> Judith
>
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All in Psyber-L


Judith you wrote "...I'm in another health crisis so lovely news of any kind
brings a healing bath"

I'm sorry to hear that, and also pleased you mention it here.  I hope you are
attending to it well and that you are healing, even if there is no cure. In a
way our various crisis or major life experiences make up our collective here...
and you are such a part of that.  If it is important or right for you I hope you
share your struggles and journey here.

While on our adventure in the hills i thought a lot about my life in
"psyberspace" as i knew i would.  How important this list is in my imaginal
space... it is where i am most at home on the net, even though i hang out in
other places... I think the main reason is that its theme... "exploring the
psyche in cyberspace" puts name to the very deepest drives and urges that are in
me, list or no list. Kate calls me an evolutionist.

I reflected on the quiet here before i left, and how the presence of the list's
space is important to me.  Knowing it is here allows me to think into it even as
i am walking into a rainstorm, miles away from electricity!

How different that might be for new people here.  A silence might just seem like
a dead space, or go unnoticed.  If you are new here and have hardly seen a post
you may like to search the archives for the word "silence" which we have used as
a mantra at times to reach into our essence.

Blessings Judith...

Walter
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 Welcome Connie Boitano

You are now on the Psyber-L list and this message comes 'from" there.  That is
it has gone to all 30 or more members.  Here is the intro you sent me and i hope
that it motivates some of us here to respond to your reactions and
impressions...


> I had something simple yet formal to write to introduce myself, but after
> reading the request, and finding my initial reaction to close up and ponder
> anonymity on the internet, I decided something more "real" would be better.
> I'm interested in how people present themselves on the net, and how this form
> of communication can be used to explore the mind during this "Decade of the
> Brain".  I'm looking forward to many interesting ideas, though I'll probably
> lurk a while to see how this community works before participating more
> directly.
>
> Connie  :-)

One quick question from me:  the brain decade idea, I've never heard that.  Do
you think it is?  By brain then do you include mind and spirit and psyche?

I think of the decade as a sort of mini third millennium, the overture as it
were, speedy, aggressive, volatile, global, competitive even in the areas of the
soul.  We aint seen nothin' yet.


Walter


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